Ben Franklin (13/01/2005 21:36)
its ok mate,no worries.we you all from?anyone from uk?

wes (13/01/2005 21:04)
sorry for being so bitchy, Ben:)

Ben Franklin (13/01/2005 20:30)
point taken wes.

But your right about the music,back in the "golden age" you had to earn that number one spot! it changes like the wind now,all I hear is crap like usher,and whiney other so called "RnB" artists.
and thats another thing...RnB is supposed to be ryhthm and blues,eric clapton was in that genre,though I dont like putting artists in any catorgory.

stevies "songs in the key of life" should be an example for every artist out there,the creativity on that album can be felt on "every" track.

thats my thoughts anyway

wes (13/01/2005 19:30)
also, I'd like to point out that due to technology, singers no longer have to be good anymore. its not required. computers can make them sound good. airbrushing makes them look pretty. sampling makes it so they don't need as much creative effort. put it all in nice little plastic packaging and market it. then all the excited little consumers (you) run out and buy it. all the sudden you've got a hit record and "artist." doesn't matter if its Ashlee Simpson's screeching, Justin Timberlake's whining or Eminem's retarded noises, it will sell. and it does.

in the old days you HAD to be good, period. there was no option of computers that could "make" your voice, like it does for britney spears. perhaps thats why people cared less about a person's looks/weight and more about their actual talent back then. god help aretha franklin if she first tried to have a recording career in this day and age...

wes (13/01/2005 19:30)
to Ben Franklin, sorry if I offended you. I'm not trying to be creative here on this website, there is a lot of dissing going back and forth. this isn't an album I'm working on, its a forum. and being repeatedly referred to as "junior" is dali talking down to me, so why don't you bitch at him?

wes (13/01/2005 18:05)
Dali, what the fuck are you talking about, really. I'm not even aware if this is some kind of arguement/debate or something. I know there was shitty music before and theres shitty music now. but the best music from "then" (whatever time period it is you assume I exclusively listen to, I'm not sure which. lets just say, the "past") is, IN MY OPINION, waaaay better than the best music of today.

would alicia keys be famous if she was fat and ugly? who knows, probably not. I think she's got talent, but as I said before, if she represents one of the best artists of this time, then IN MY OPINION the "golden age" has indeed passed. I say this knowing there are better artists around today than Alicia Keys, they just aren't as popular.

and wtf is with you talking to me like I'm a 5 year old, i bet you didn't realize when I was talking about music I quoted the teacher of a great american songwriter, cole porter. thats DEFINATELY way before this "golden age" you assume I think contains the only quality music in history.

and stop misspelling everything if you really intend to portray yourself as my elder. really, its "evolution," not "evoluting" and "realize," not "relize" dictionary.com is a great site

Dali (13/01/2005 13:50)
Maybe the golden age of the kind of "rap" you like has gone. Just as Rockabily, or even Gregorian songs (which are not as popular has it was during the XV century) has. Styles and fashion change, Music is always evoluting.
Some young people as Junior just don't relize the beauty of what's around, what's new. And eventhough look disappointed that the common people seems to like it!
When the first rap singers appears, their were not considered as a new golden age for music!

Does Alicia Keys would be as famous as she is, if she was fat and uggly?

geturfunkyself2getha (13/01/2005 12:29)
i have 2 agree with everything that wes has sed the "golden age" had definitely passed the days when people could actually sing and write their own songs rather than relying on their looks.prob the only artist i think who is as good at artists from "the golden age" is alicia keys now she can sing and write.and if it werent for "the golden age" dali u wouldnt have the 80's and now u'll notice artists r relying on artists from the golden age 4 hits eg.coolio's gangstas paradise a hit was origionally pastime paradise by stevie and ja rule's livin it up also a hit does it remind u of Do i do also by stevie.

Dali (12/01/2005 23:12)
Thanks for your post Junior. My critic on people living in the past was not limited on Music, even not on Arts. But it seems you need concrete examples to understand some concepts.
Let's take 80's pop music. Songs that we are still hearing now represents just a tiny part of what has been produced. Time makes it selection. And of course what remains is mainly the best. So you are comparing two different periods of time, one limited to its best, the other one with all its crap!
I give you an advice, get a chart list of the 80's and listen to all the songs (if you ever can get a copy of each). You'll be surprise.
Another advice Junior, enjoy the time we are living, creativity is every where!

Ben Franklin (12/01/2005 23:08)
wes,why call dali a dimwit?
why ask stupid questions like "are you smoking crack"

like you said...."whats so creative about dissn people"?

if you have an opinion then fair enough,but theres no need to be judging people(as you have in your last couple of posts)there is no need to be so pompus.

wes (12/01/2005 21:59)
in response to Dali's post, what is your point? I said there was quality music being produced, EVEN today. its just rare, IMO. you also assume that I'm only interested in music from the 60-80s or something, as if there was no good music before that. I said ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY you dimwit. I listen to a VERY broad variety of music, I don't need to search for creativity in artists that obviously lack it. What's so creative about dissing people, really? you must be smoking crack if you really think most popular music today will be considered part of a "golden age." the "golden age" of rap is already long gone. in the end its all just a matter of opinion, but there's no point in trying to "find" creativity in today's music (especially if you're referring to eminem with that) when there is tons of ageless material already out there. you're the one who is missing out if you block out the past, because thats how music has evolved to where it is today, no matter how crappy it may be. you accuse me of "living in the past," but how? simply because I appreciate music that happened to have been made before I was born? because I don't put an expiration date on art? yea, tell me something about music... junior.

Flukie (11/01/2005 23:56)
It is not just Eminem, it is a lot of others. Know matter how weired we think Michael is the fact still remains that he has not been found guilty. For all whom think it is all right to make fun, put yourself in his shoes and tell me if it makes you happy? Yesterday(1-10-05) I heard a sports caster make reference to a football player who mimed mooning the audiance on the field. His comment was "at least he only mimed it and did not do it like Janet Jackson." Well mister sports guy, she did not do it. Justin did. And by the way, Justin should have not been allowed to perform either. It was wrong for them to kick her off the show and not him. He should have refused to show if she could not. All the other performers should have also backed her. And for all the people coming forward about what they witnessed at neverland, If Michael goes to jail, all of you should be trailing right behind him. Because if you witnessed something and did not report it right then and there, you are just as guilty. Later

Dali (11/01/2005 18:20)
Junior (Wes, may I call you Junior?), your so young and already so presumptuous.
During the "golden age" you mention, some people already found "their" golden age was gone. Of course the music has changed, but the creativity is still there! Just have to find it.
One can't live in the pass.
Hope you will grow Junior.

wes (11/01/2005 16:17)
in response to Nathan's post about the quality of todays music: I totally agree. The "golden age" has indeed passed in my opinion. There is quality music produced today, but it is rare and definately not popularized. what sells today is sex & marketing. publicity stunts and gossip. its not about art anymore, its about showing off abs/ass, selling the most records to high school kids and getting the most grammys, as if it makes you a better artist simply to have them. talent is lacking in the industry, because it is not required anymore. anyways, i'm not even gonna get into it. i could write a book about how most music sucks today.

btw, for others reading, I'm not an "old fart" or something whos "out-of-touch" with the "mainstream." I'm a 19 year old appreciater of true art and I don't get all giddy and wet my pants over some new crap artist every time MTV tells me to. all throughout history you can find great music, even today. but the creative 'peak' i do feel has passed and most people in the industry have lost the original purpose of music. to express and create, to take the listener into the artists' world through their words and music. lyrics and melody that must be so inseparable that they are one.

wes (11/01/2005 15:34)
this forum sucks because other people can post under anybody's name. that and its full of retards now that a plethora of eminem fans have flooded it. it was better before stevie said anything (though I think he was right to do so), because then it was only true stevie fans who appreciate the man and his music occupying this space. now its full of emotionally underdeveloped high school kids who think they know something about music, when they really don't know anything apart from what MTV spoon feeds them. they like what they're told to, which is exactly why they come on this board (that they would never even think of visiting otherwise) dissing legends like Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson, suggesting Eminem has some sort of higher ground over them, in terms of both morality and talent. what a joke! that right there displays their musical and cultural ignorance, which is why its useless to even bother responding to their inane posts.

Ben Franklin (09/01/2005 10:18)
dont patronise me!

ilovestevie (09/01/2005 05:51)
and just so u no i wasnt picking on stevie i absoloutely love him and as 4 michael i think he's innocent the parents of the lids prob made the kids say that shit and eminem i dont like his music but his video clips are good and i dont think the video clip is funny either just amusing.
p.s. good 4 u im glad ur not a hypocrite

Which wrost? (08/01/2005 22:48)
Which you think most people insult to Michael Jackson? Number 1 to
1:http://users.tapuz.co.il/mj/pics/mj_scary.jpg
2:http://muzyka.onet.pl/_i/info/duze/m/michael_jackson_ksiazka.jpg
3:http://soko.blogs.com/.../images/michael_jackson.jpg
4:http://www.velocity.net/~mfuller/.../michaeljacksonarrest.gif
5:http://www.effect.net.au/.../Michael-Jackson.jpg
6:http://www.nowyoudidit.com/.../michaeldearest.jpg
7: Eminem "Just Lose it"
8: Other

Ben Franklin (08/01/2005 10:37)
ilovestevie:I do not find the new emenim video funny at all.
I respect the man and that is it.

The video is distastful,theres only so far someone can go,and now people are like..."oh well,its eminem aint it" I dont belive michael jackson is guilty,and make fun of subject like that is sick.

p.s. I not as you state a 'hipocrites'.

noy (08/01/2005 03:44)
yay shay-dy. you havent done nothin wrong!!!

Still Stand Up! Encore... (06/01/2005 20:30)
THE BILLBOARD 200

1. "ENCORE," EMINEM

2. "American Idiot," Green Day
3. "Crunk Juice," Lil Jon & the East Side Boyz"
4. "MTV Ultimate Mash-Ups Presents Jay-Z and Linkin Park: Collision Course," Jay-Z & Linkin Park
5. "Red Light District," Ludacris
Issue date: Jan. 15, 2005

ilovestevie (06/01/2005 11:21)
"NOW WHERE DO I START TO MAKE THE POINT THAT I'LL BE MAKING TO MOST EFFICIENTLY USE YOUR TIME THAT I'LL BE TAKING WITH THE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY TICKING SECOND IS PRECIOUS TO US ALL BUT IF U LET ME BEND YOUR EAR LISTEN UP U WILL HEAR NOT JUST WHAT I SAY BUT EVERY WORD THAT I AM SAYING"

ilovestevie (06/01/2005 11:43)
hey everyone i just wanted to say U ROCK STEVIE I LOVE YOU COME AND DO A CONCERT IN AUSTRALIA.
and also i only just heard about this michael stevie eminem thing and after ive read about wat happened and read all ur retaliations its absoloutely ridiculous i mean i love stevie so much and michael and eminem hes alright ive got nothing against him i have respect for all of them theyve all worked hard 2 get where they are black or white or both but seriously u r all making a big deal over nothin its just ppl speakin the mind in la la land wow michael got smacked down by eminem in his video and stevie stood up 4 him and as if stevie did it cos michaels black cos hello stevies blind he cant see colour anyway and michaels white now anyway.eminems video is a good too i bet u it amuses everyone and u all cant help but watch it wen it comes on the tv i no i cant so stop being such hipocrites i no ur prob trynna be loyal 2 stevie but ur not if u lie and dont have ur own opinions. stevies got the right to have his own opinion so let him.i bet u if stevie wasnt who he is if he was just some blind/sighted black/white man/woman u have all never seen before or heard of who jumped in front of a tv camera and sed wat he sed u wouldnt take any notice because hes not famous so u cant make a big deal out of that.music reflects everyday life wats happenin at the mo and eminem did that he made his about michael its not right and its not wrong either its entertainment big woop stevie stood up 4 him geez its not the only thing goin on in the world maybe u should talk about something important all this shit is gonna be forgotten in a week and next thing u'll be talking about some other famous persons opinion of some shit cos uve got no life of ur own 2 make a big deal about so give it a rest and get over with it. and yeah i no im gonna get shit 4 this and ppl r gonna say i have no life for writing this but hey thats wat happens wen u try 2 let ppl know wat this all looks like from a different point of view.

allie (06/01/2005 02:07)
eminem rocks i think eminem should wit not usher

Awards 2 (04/01/2005 21:22)
2000 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Album-The Marshall Mathers LP
2000 Ericksson Muzik Awards Virgin Megastore's Best Album
2000 Music of Black Origin Award- Best Hip Hop Act
2000 MuchMusic Video Award People's Choice:International Artist-"The Real Slim Shady"
2000 Right On Magazine Award Best Male Hip Hop Performer of the Year
2000 MTV Video Music Award For Best Video of the Year- "The Real Slim Shady"
2000 MTV Video Music Award For Best Rap Video (w/DRE)- "Forgot About Dre"
2000 MTV Video Music Award For Best Male in a Video- "The Real Slim Shady"
2000 Source Award For Best Video of the Year- "Guilty Conscience"
2000 Source Award For Best Lyricist Of the Year
1999 MTV Video Music Award For Best New Artist- "My Name Is"
1999 Grammy For Best Rap Solo Performance- "My Name Is"
1999 Grammy For Best Rap Album- The Slim Shady LP
1997 Wake Up Show Freestyle Performer of the Year (from LA)

Awards (04/01/2005 21:15)
2004 Grammy Award For Best Male Rap Solo Performance- "Lose Yourself"
2004 Grammy Award For Best Rap Song- "Lose Yourself"
2003 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Hip Hop Act
2003 World Music Award For Best American Pop/Rock Male Artist
2003 World Music Award For World's Best Pop/Rock Artist
2003 MTV Video Music Award For Best Video From a Film- "Lose Yourself" (8 Mile)
2003 Billboard Music Award For Top Album- The Eminem Show
2003 Billboard Music Award For Top Rap Album- The Eminem Show
2003 Billboard Music Award For Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums Artist
2003 MTV Movie Award For Best Actor
2003 MTV Movie Award For Best Breakthrough Male Performance
2003 Outstanding Achievement Award-for charitable contributions to Detroit (presented at Detroit's Hip Hop summit hosted by EM 4/26)
2003 Oscar For Best Song From a Movie-"Lose Yourself"
2003 Grammy For Best Rap Album-The Eminem Show
2003 Grammy For Best Short Form Music Video-"Without Me"
2003 American Music Award For Album, Hip-Hop/R&B-The Eminem Show
2003 American Music Award For Album, Pop/Rock-The Eminem Show
2003 American Music Award For Favorite Male Artist, Hip-Hop/R&B
2003 American Music Award For Favorite Male Artist, Pop/Rock
2003 People's Choice Award For Favorite Male Performer
2002 Billboard Music Award For Best Album-The Eminem Show
2002 Billboard Music Award For Best R&B/Hip Hop Album-The Eminem Show
2002 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Male Act
2002 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Album-The Eminem Show
2002 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Hip-Hop Act
2002 MTV Video Music Award For Best Video of the Year-"Without Me"
2002 MTV Video Music Award For Best Male Video-"Without Me"
2002 MTV Video Music Award For Best Rap Video-"Without Me"
2002 MTV Video Music Award For Best Direction In a Video-"Without Me"
2001 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Hip Hop
2001 Source Award For Best Video of the Year-"Stan"
2001 World Music Award For World's Best Selling Rap Artist
2001 Blockbuster Entertainment Award For Favorite Male Artist
2001 Blockbuster Entertainment Award For Favorite Artist-Rap
2001 ESPN Music Artist of the Year, skateboarding
2001 Detroit Music Award For Best National Album-The Marshall Mathers LP
2001 Detroit Music Award For Best National Single-"The Real Slim Shady"
2001 Billboard Music Award For Best Maximum Vision Clip of the Year-"The Real Slim Shady"
2001 Billboard Music Award For Best Rap/Hip Hop Clip of the Year-"The Real Slim Shady"
2001 Playboy Poll Music Award For Best Music Video-"The Real Slim Shady"
2001 Playboy Poll Music Award For Best R&B/Rap Vocalist
2001 Juno Award For Best Selling Album (Foreign or Domestic)-The Marshall Mathers LP
2001 Grammy for Best Rap Album of the Year-The Marshall Mathers LP
2001 Grammy for Best Rap Duo or Group (w/Dre)-"Forgot About Dre"
2001 Grammy for Best Rap Solo Performance-"The Real Slim Shady"
2001 New Music Express Award For Best Hip Hop/Rap Act
2000 MTV Europe Music Award For Best Hip Hop...

oops! (02/01/2005 22:37)
michael_jackson_baby.jpg

Eminem Encore track #12 (02/01/2005 00:23)
"Em Calls Paul (Skit)"

Aye yo Paul, It's Em
I got your call about the Michael Jackson thing
And I know that he's not 'thrilled' about the video
What does he 'wanna be startin' somethin'?'
Well I'll show him who's really 'bad'
Paul, 'the way you make me feel' with these calls
You should really take a look at the 'man in the mirror'
And tell him to 'beat it' because I 'won't stop till I get enough'
Do you 'remember the time' we were watching the 'Billy Jean' video?
Well he'll always be that Michael to me
And it doesn't matter if he's 'black or white'
Because I 'can't stop loving him' and I hate plastic surgeons
And I hope they all fucking die!
How do you like that?
And I like him, I like him a lot
I want to touch him but I can't
Excuse me, I'm taking a shit
Sorry
Anyways, call me back
I have this idea about how I want to end the show
So, hit me when you get this message fucker
Oh, and by the way
No I don't have a new gun [click] (goddamn it)
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/emcallspaulskit.html

me (01/01/2005 18:34)
this time next year, eminem will be ashamed for what he has done. MJ WILL be proven innocent, simply because he is, and eminem will look very stupid.

Holiday shoppers make Eminem No. 1 (31/12/2004 00:19)
LOS ANGELES, California (Billboard) -- Eminem was the top-seller among last-minute holiday shoppers as "Encore" returned to No. 1 on the U.S. album charts last week after a month-long absence.

The rapper's latest Shady/Aftermath/Interscope set jumped two places after selling 430,000 copies in the week ended December 26, a 36 percent increase, according to Nielsen SoundScan data issued Wednesday.

"Encore" now has three non-consecutive weeks atop the chart, including a two-week stay at No. 1 in November. It took over the top spot from 2Pac's posthumous "Loyal to the Game" (Amaru/Interscope), which slid to No. 13 with 219,000 copies.

Holiday shopping also saw sales of all titles in the top tier of The Billboard 200 rise 10 percent or more.

The 17th installment of "NOW That's What I Call Music!" (Sony BMG/Universal/EMI/Zomba/Capitol) held the No. 2 slot for a second week with 356,000 copies.

U2's "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" (Interscope) jumped two to No. 3 with 350,000. Destiny's Child's "Destiny Fulfilled" (Sony Urban/Columbia) also jumped two, to No. 4, with sales just shy of U2's "Bomb."

Shania Twain's Mercury Nashville greatest hits set dropped one to No. 5 with 347,000 copies. Usher's "Confessions" (LaFace/Zomba) jumped three to No. 6 with 316,000, pushing past Toby Keith, who moved up one to No. 7 with sales of 289,000 copies for his DreamWorks Nashville/Interscope hits set.

After falling to No. 10 on the previous week's chart, Jay-Z and Linkin Park's "Collision Course" (Machine Shop/Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam) rebounded to No. 8 with 283,000 copies. Green Day's "American Idiot" (Reprise/Warner Bros.) was readmitted to the chart's upper echelon, jumping four to No. 9 after selling 282,000 copies.

After last week's 1-12 spiral, Ludacris' "The Red Light District" (Disturbing Tha Peace/Def Jam South) rose two to No. 10 with sales of 258,000 copies.

Mannie Fresh posted The Billboard 200's top debut with his solo debut, "The Mind of Mannie Fresh" (Cash Money/Universal), which entered at No. 59 with 70,000 units.

Overall U.S. album sales were up 17.5 percent from the previous week at 32.7 million units, a 4.4 percent lead over the same week last year. Sales for 2004 were ahead of 2003 by about 1.4 percent at 665 million units.